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do you think it's an all or nothing like you can't at all have any type of AI where do you think the line is that we

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shouldn't cross there's good reasons not to make me King even for a day but if I

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were I would certainly ban any AI being created that was above human level intelligence in fact I think that if I

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had my way about it civilization would minimize it and treat it as if you were summoning demons we have to summon the

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demon to do our will then you have to be sure to do it in a specific way and banish it and keep it banished most of

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the time but that's not what what's happening Joe Allen welcome to the

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podcast Ed very good to be here thank you very much yeah I really appre appreciate you coming by I guess you have a an event tonight that's right at

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the Phoenix Lodge the talk will be entitled AI in the war against humanity

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yeah and so you you have a really interesting book uh I haven't read it yet but i' I've heard good things uh

0:57

dark Eon uh how did it come about that you decided to write something like that um you know if ID had my way about it I

1:04

would have written about the bears and wolves and big horn sheep of Montana but

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uh I was writing both uh naturalist articles and articles about

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technology Steph Bannon saw one of the articles on transhumanism that I had

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published at the federal list and reached out to me and went on the show

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uh was on the show uh one time he asked me to come on full-time and I've been there ever since

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it's been almost three years now so you know the the topic has been of interest to me for a long long time but really it

1:43

was the immersion in the the subject over the last really three years a

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little over three years and the book is the culmination of that research so I if

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transhumanism poses such a threat what should we be doing doing about it right

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now yeah that's the that's the million-dollar question I I I think that everyone is going to have very very

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different approaches to the just the the flood of technologies that are already

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being deployed and and what's coming behind that really there's the negative

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approach say no you know if if something crosses a boundary whether it be a moral

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boundary or even just an aesthetic boundary simply don't go there don't do

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it uh as easy as that but no philosophy can be purely negative uh and I I think

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that the people who are most opposed to the notion of radical Technologies fully augmenting the human

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being to the point that the human being is no longer human in the sense that we once understood it that tends to be one

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of two types uh the majority in my experience are uh deeply religious they

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have a sense of the human being as sacred as reflecting a sacred form the image of God uh and other conceptions

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and so they don't want that tampered with genetically or they also tend to

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see the creation of these you know proposed Godlike artificial

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intelligences as a very Blasphemous proposal so U that's one and the other

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uh a smaller group but there naturalists atheists really atheists who see nature

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and the processes of nature as sacred and they see the radical augmentation of

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humans and the the rapid expansion of the techno-industrial uh civilizations

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around the world from the West to the east uh and the Middle East everything in between they see that as being an

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incursion onto what is sacred nature and the the destruction of Nature and so um

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there also quite opposed to transhumanism or post-humanism whatever degree were talking about uh

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because they see it as a reckless use of human intellect and human Ingenuity uh

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and they see it as an even more rapid destruction of the natural world than

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we've seen for the last 200 250 years I mean but wouldn't wouldn't we already be

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somewhat transhuman in a way because um and I I said this on another podcast like I feel like my grandparents

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generation was the last full humans and we carry around cell phones

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uh you know we're very at least I can speak for myself I'm very connected to it I don't like the fact that I am honestly but it's it's kind of where I'm

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at in in the world and where most of society is uh you know even my parents I see them on their cell phones and

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they're on social media and those type of things that is a form of that isn't it certainly you know there you know you

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really hit it there you don't like it and yet you're doing it uh same here for sure I oftentimes joke that uh Steve

4:57

Bannon turned me into a cyborg so that I could [ __ ] about technology and it's true you know I think it's it should be

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curious to most people why something that's so unpleasant is so prevalent and and freely

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chosen but yeah I I agree in fact I would you know a lot of my study was in

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paleoanthropology and cultural Evolution the the idea that uh culture evolves in

5:21

similar ways to uh biological forms not the same but similar and that the

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culture and biology co-evolve so that these kind of leaps in human biological

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evolution coincide with leaps in technological Evolution or cultural

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Evolution so the the process has been ongoing since the first campfires first

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Spears first cave paintings uh First clothes uh they really and the fire

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maybe may have been one of the most radical you know you look at the human digestive tract compared to um our

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closest Cousins the chimpanzees and uh the chimpanzees have a much more

6:03

a much harder gut much harder stomach than human beings human beings have basically the same length of intestine

6:10

uh but a much much smaller stomach and the reason being from an evolutionary standpoint the ability to cook food to

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kind of pre-digested um allows for that and it it basically humans just you know

6:22

the efficiency of evolution human stomachs began to atrophy uh they were

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no longer needed the the the hearty guts so um yes human beings have been coupled

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with technology from the beginning uh the question is how fast are we going to go there and how how desirable is it I

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mean there are a number of ways in which biology and Technology have co-evolved that have left human beings um pretty

Leadership, Algocracy, Human Free Will

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weak and I think that to the extent that we're in a transhuman age where the direction of evolution will be

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determined by human decisions uh and and and human uh intellect and thought and intuition and World

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Views uh we will have some really big choices in the coming Century or

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centuries and I think that people are going to choose different things so you know I'm not I'm not a Universalist I

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don't believe in people oftentimes ask you know what are we going to do I mean who's we yeah one of the interesting

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things you know I've talked about a lot uh with my business partner it's actually talk talk about a lot just in

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general uh we were talking about what leadership is and I said what is leadership today and uh dedric my my

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business partner said leadership is the algorithm because the algorithm's really showing us how it thinks we're supposed

7:40

to think or whoever's controlling and pulling the strings of the algorithm is feeding us specific messages and you

7:46

know depending on what uh Echo chamber that you're you're in you're you're being fed a specific uh thing that's you

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know causes a lot of confirmation bias uh what do you think uh the power of the

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algorithm is right now now on how we're acting in society profound uh you know there's a concept comes up a lot in the

8:06

conversations around technology especially technocracy you know ruled by expert and and more recently ruled by

8:13

experts who deploy Technologies to control Society below them for their own good right for our own good uh and and

8:20

also transhumanism the concept of alauy rule by algorithm uh the idea that the

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algorithm in fact is superior to human decision making it's often times

8:31

described in terms of partnership or symbiosis that the superior human is the Symbiote with the

8:39

algorithm or with the AI but ultimately uh myself I see it as

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very much um an unwanted intrusion upon a process that a very human process

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that's still ongoing in which the human the human species and human individuals are trying to to improve themselves

9:01

right trying to improve their decision-making trying to improve Society trying to refine their World Views uh the introduction of the

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algorithm and you can see it already how rapidly the proportion of human decision- making to algorithmic

9:14

decision-making or U human uh computation human information processing

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uh compared to the algorithmic processing the algorithm is eating up more and more and more of that

9:25

proportion a lot of cognitive scientists or neuroscientists uh who really don't believe in free will they think that

9:31

Free Will is basically the output of a biochemical process that's completely out of our hands kind of an illusion you

9:38

hear people like Daniel Conan talking like this Daniel Dennett you've all know Harari takes his ideas from them and one

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of the proposals is that the algorithm because it's much faster than human decision-making it's more accurate than

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human decision-making and since human beings aren't really even making the decisions anyway to put to to merge with

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the algorithm to become symbiotic with the algorithm so that the algorithm is actually the primary driver of

10:05

decision-making that's their desire I see it more in terms of the creation of a a kind of digital control grid in

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which the people who are deploying the algorithms and to some extent even the more complex neural networks the the AI

10:20

itself um is in control and the human being is just along for the ride uh the

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famous transhumanist Andrew samber described it when when just discussing the negative use of Technology but it

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really struck me at the time I've used it many times since uh described some of the fears around technology going back

10:39

to the Victorian era that human beings would atrophy as we coupled with the Technologies we become more pardic than

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symbiotic and uh it was described then in the v Victorian era as human beings becoming like Barnacles on a ship hole

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and I think that again no one it's not going to be the same across the board uh some some symbiosis would be more like

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um uh say Moss or um lyen you know that

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that there will be much more of a partnership and some I think I think they some communities will resist it to

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the point that it's just they're left relatively unscathed although I expect they will be a smaller number and

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probably disempowered um but yeah the the algorithm the

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algy an algorithmic uh Society we already live in it and uh yeah I I find

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it to be aesthetically unappealing and then you know coming from out of that I

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justify it with philosophy that is philosophically unsound or again just

De-Programing Social Media for the Greater Good, Tik Tok

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undesirable well you know we're talking about Free Will and when we're talking about an algorithm let's say

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specifically on social media that's programming people I don't think most people even know that that it's

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happening and so you know we really don't have free will

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to go against that at least most people don't because they don't know um and

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I've actually been thinking about this a lot lately uh what what can we do to

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keep down the programming in society what can we do to uh you know not brainwash people without them knowing

12:19

and you know one interesting thing I think Congress could do uh when setting

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the laws is to one put a warning mhm uh on Facebook Instagram Twitter uh they

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need to get rid of Tik Tok in my opinion that's we can talk about that here in a minute but uh and just have people's

12:40

feed in the order of uh what people post that they follow rather than you know

12:46

being sent something meant to uh give a dopamine hit which is actually making

12:52

people addicts without knowing that they're becoming addicts to that and uh

12:58

would would give us specific pecking order to where it's not programming I know that sounds like we're interfering

13:03

in business but I feel like when we interfere in business or rather when when a business is doing something

13:10

without the customer knowing that is having a horrible effect on the world it's really just protecting the citizens

13:16

what do you what do you think about that thought well first You' have to get the acknowledgement that it's bad uh that it's undesirable or that it's wrong that

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it's harmful more and more people come forward with the in congr you even hear

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people talking about this a lot um Josh Holly R Rana um a number of people in Congress

13:36

speak about this about the deterioration of society due to social media so it's

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there but I I it's also not exactly it's not something that's taken for granted and in fact all of these politicians

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rely on that algorithmic system for their existence as do the businesses that contribute to their campaigns um

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and as does the government itself and it's analysis and tracking of its own

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Affairs so yes I mean I agree and I also think that that would be better um you

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know it's it it it's interesting uh a lot of people aren't aware of this

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because they they see so much of the transhumanist elements uh or post-humanist elements the kind of man

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machine merger ideas in the world economic Forum right with you know Cloud Schwab talking about the fourth

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Industrial Revolution uh yval Harari talking about homodeus um you've got

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Kaiu Lee talking about you know AI 2041 when you know we finally merge all all

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these characters there speak about this uh great technological convergence and

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so people don't realize how much of the policy proposals coming out of the world

14:46

economic Forum how many of them really focus on kind of Quasi socialist

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policies to reduce harm and and I think that um you know a radical libertarian

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or an acceleration like someone like Mark Andre would

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probably say or Peter teal would say that that is that you're doing a socialism on us you know uh I I agree

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though I think that to the extent that any product is doing obvious harm uh it should be rained in and a warning system

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or a relaxation of the intense algorithmic processes to feed somebody what they want to hear to to in

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basically uh cultivate a dopamine hit addiction uh it's all negative but it's

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going to be very very complicated going forward uh California would probably be the first place to do it oddly enough

15:35

just due to you know you see all the safetyism there uh even though it's the home of silicon Silicon Valley or maybe

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New York uh Idaho would be the last even though that's probably the most uh ly place just due to the kind of political

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tendency towards uh big government uh heavy handed government and not but it

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is a solution and it's something to argue about and I think that's also really really important because there's not enough of that yeah I mean it's it's

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it seems like it's kind of being swept under the rug you mentioned some people that are actually talking about it which is good but you know uh I I found it

16:09

interesting and I love Rand Paul but I found it interesting that he was absolutely against the the Tik Tock band

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but when you have a a Chinese entity uh you know the Chinese government feeding

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your children algorithms uh that seems like a threat to uh the country because

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it's programming the the kids's mind and a way to think like the Chinese government wants them to think uh what's

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your what's your kind of view on that I agree completely um it's you know you've got the two elements you've got the

16:39

surveillance element which is right in your face including biometric surveillance um and then you have the

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manipulation the psychological manipulation the algorithmic uh cultivation of certain mindsets and Tik

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Tok you know it's it's been noted many times you know Tik tok's parent company bite dance has a different Tik Tok I

16:58

can't remember the name Chinese name uh in China and the algorithms tend to feed

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Chinese children educational content uplifting content uh China in fact restricts uh how long children can be

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online uh recognizing those negative effects even as they're pumping American children full of it and European

17:17

children children across the world uh it's it's well known and yet somehow um

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I think probably largely due to uh political commitments you know political

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philosophy of libertarianism or Pro bus but also probably a lot of money that's

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either directly or indirectly coming from China uh but it it you know Tik Tok is probably uh the most ingenious social

17:41

media algorithm because of its addictive nature and because of its ability to kind of sense and detect what someone's

17:49

taste is and feed them that um but that's also the reason it should be I I agree it should be banned completely

17:54

yeah it's it's interesting when I've made some of these points and you know we run Clips online the

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comments are like you just don't want people to know the truth and it's you know you want people you don't want

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people to be free and information to be uh you know sh shared easily and uh I

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find it interesting because when we went on Tik Tok and we posted specific click

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uh Clips three of the first five Clips were taken down what were they on well

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uh one was on um uh propaganda and how

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it's worked over the years wow the other one was on uh kind of the end of

18:39

different uh civilizations and I forget what the third one was they took it down within

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24 hours wow and I can show you the screenshots because we this is like two weeks ago we I haven't been on Tik Tok

18:53

actually I'm personally not on Tik Tok you know they put the show on Tik Tok now and yeah the first like three of the

18:59

first five were taken down uh and they were all like let's say

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PRC uh you know Christian values um nothing really contro I mean it

19:12

wasn't controversial I wasn't talking about trans issues or anything like that which I would like to in the future and

19:18

have it on there just to give uh my free speech a shot to see if people align with it but no they they took it

19:26

down that actually surprised me a lot but uh not not because just because it is you know Tik

19:32

Tok I I don't use it so I'm not familiar with it directly but uh Tik Tok a lot of the guys on the right even guys like

19:40

maybe you would call them far right that's kind of a bad buzzword but they note how uh a lot of the things that

19:47

would be pulled immediately off of Facebook or Twitter pre musk uh Google

19:52

uh also would limit the search for it U things like the January 6th

19:59

uh Capital riots the U various arguments in around covid and Co treatment Co

20:06

policy those would by and large remain up at Tik Tok while they were being taken down by American companies and so

20:13

that's a lot of the basis for that argument but you also think about it in terms of Chinese interests yes uh they

20:20

they have every reason to want both strict covid policies in America to

20:26

suppress uh economic prosperity and various other things and then also they're going to want to foment

20:32

Rebellion against it so yeah that's that that's that's kind of what I was thinking when I heard those I was like

20:37

it would benefit the Chinese government to have people upset about covid and it would benefit the Chinese government to

20:43

uh push a rebellion against the United States government so um what were the

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clip what was what was the third clip Warren do you remember what it was third one was

Marina Abramovic, Balenciaga, Kanye West Outbursts

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talking yes that's wild that one of all things very very interesting yeah three

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of the first five and they were going viral too I mean it was with I remember seeing the uh you sent me the screenshot

21:05

and we had gotten you know 80 plus thousand views in a very short amount of time and uh yeah they clipped it and we

21:11

appealed it they haven't responded they said it's one was misinformation forget the other one uh it uh forget what

21:19

exactly they said but it was something about we went went against their terms of condition uh uh yeah whatever their

21:24

terms were so who knows Abramovich is interesting if we can

21:30

Linger on her for just one sec um you've probably seen the holens the Microsoft

21:36

Hol lens advertisement that came out on Good Friday 2020 or at least it was

21:42

posted uh publicly on Good Friday 2020 so as everyone was locked down and

21:49

churches were shuttered Microsoft in partnership with Christy's uh the auction house released

21:57

an advertised ment for a a mixed reality Art Exhibit by Marina Abramovich and it

22:04

was corny and tacky you had all these hipsters wearing Microsoft Holo lens

22:10

augmented reality glasses and they have the omals and you know with latte encrusted around them you know those

22:16

types and they're looking at this empty space and suddenly Marina Abramovich

22:22

manifests in a red dress and it's creepy and it's weird but she's talking about

22:28

you know the the title of the installation is the life and she's talking about how the art of the future

22:34

would be pure transmission of energy and that the um what was yeah you know that

22:42

after death what remains is the art and uh you know in this state in this

22:48

digital State I am made Immortal so you know very transhuman in its orientation

22:53

and of course you see the the transhumanist and post-humanist elements in Lady Gaga who is very Protegé of hers

23:01

and U and even maybe to some extent uh Jay-Z although probably the stretch

23:06

there yeah I mean what's crazy too is she was just uh you know named um what

23:12

is it the uh she's going to be in charge of the schools in Ukraine yeah what was it the the she was a she was just named

23:19

Ambassador uh to Ukraine but she's going to be you know in charge of the schools what is a woman like that going to do

23:25

you know for children in Ukraine and why is she getting put in that position she's going to pervert and DeMent them

23:31

yeah I mean it's unbelievable did you ever see the um the Balenciaga stuff that went viral that

23:37

was me that started that [ __ ] oh really oh yeah and I mean it got a little nerve-wracking you know a lot of praying

23:44

for me because I mean I really did feel like there was some dark Forces uh you know coming after me at the time and um

23:51

weird messages crazy dreams you know and uh you know but when that went viral uh

24:00

I thought that people there's no way they could align with Balenciaga after that then of course you know two months

24:07

later 24-hour news cycle like it's a it's a forgotten thing yeah um what do you think about companies like

24:13

Balenciaga because they're actually kind of pushing that same thing a lot of their stuff is transhuman I think it's very complicated

24:21

because it raises some really difficult questions about what free Freedom means

24:28

in America uh whether you have the freedom to suppress certain forms of culture and

24:35

obviously we do have the freedom to express the most extreme forms right child abuse which Balenciaga is in my

24:42

opinion guilty of at least alluding to it um and but child abuse drug abuse um

24:49

you know defacement and disrespect toward certain protected groups right uh

24:55

all that we've all agreed or at least many have agreed that those uh face legal sanction and banning or at least

25:00

suppression and and marginalization so it really raises the question Do cities

25:06

have the right to say I don't want any of that in my city do states does the country itself um in my opinion you know

25:14

if I Were King if I were mayor or Governor or king of the world yeah you would you would at least push that off

25:21

into the fringes sure make it like the brothel of old but um you know one of the really wild developments out of

25:28

Balenciaga in my opinion was uh Kanye West right or ye or yay or whatever

25:33

you're supposed to call him now and he's trans nimic U you know his name has shifted um but it was right around that

25:42

time maybe maybe exactly at that time that he's running around in that weird Balenciaga sock on his head and uh it

25:48

was after his his Outburst about going deathcon what is it uh three I can't

25:54

never remember I'm not a military guy deathcon 3 on the Jew and all that sort of stuff and you appearing on Alex Jones

26:01

and and saying a lots of really wacky stuff and you know the the the fish net and the Yahoo the yooo net and yooo um

26:10

but the fact that that was blin yagen the fact that uh ye or yay or

26:16

Kanye was very vocal about the negative impacts of Instagram on women and

26:22

turning them into promiscuous [ __ ] and he's running around with that conservative kid that doesn't believe in

26:29

dinosaurs whatever his name is or the Holocaust either um and you like it's

26:36

just it was a weird Jos you know I called it uh um uh magga MK Ultra you

26:43

know because it really is what it looked like it just looked like some sort of bizarre psychological operation cooked

26:49

up by somebody to muddy the waters and confuse people but the fact that he was wearing that Balenciaga sock on his head

26:56

and the fact that uh he openly defended Balenciaga and said the Instagram's worse uh it just shows what kind of

27:02

cultural chaos we live in and I I again I I see something and I I'm getting the

27:09

sense that perhaps you would see something the same that out of all this chaos there is a new order forming but

27:15

it's a very dark order well yeah I mean it's that's that's the problem I have with the algorithm because you know

27:20

you're talking about putting Satanism and and evil to the fringes which I I agree with but the algorithm pushing it

27:28

to the Forefront and acting like it's normal and okay and it's convincing people that anybody who thinks against

27:33

that is not normal and okay and when you know you and I both know those people

27:39

are crazy and they're really pushing a crazy agenda yet the media yet the

27:44

algorithm is saying no we're crazy it's flipping truth on its head and and making a lot of people uh afraid to

Elon Musk, X (Formerly Called Twitter), Pro-Transhumanists

27:52

speak out or you know afraid to look dumb I don't really care at this point but but I think that's really what kind

27:58

of what we're seeing you know with that algorithm on social media yeah it's an inversion within an inversion within an

28:04

inversion um or a you know I oftentimes think of it like the Hindus and you know

28:11

the reality as a physical reality anyway being illusion and it it really is you know as if the the physical illusion is

28:19

now developing a physical or you know digital Illusions within that and then psychological Illusions within that just

28:25

this it's a psychotic Turtles all the way down yeah what do you think about uh Elon Musk right now because um you know

28:33

he's doing what he's done with Twitter which I think is a good thing you know allowing more free speech um but you

28:39

know in the back of I say the back of my head um he's thinking about putting a ear Lake in the back of my head right

28:45

and um you know in 10 years or so however long they're doing I think they had their first human in clinical trial

28:50

here recently uh what's kind of your thought on what he's doing and and and his uh ideas you know we we hit musk

28:58

hard at the War Room uh Steve is really adamant about not elevating musk as some

29:04

sort of hero you know Steve's met him he knows him to some extent they've passed

29:09

jabs back and forth at each other via the media I cover musk uh pretty

29:15

extensively in in the book uh especially in light of you all know Harari I think

29:21

that musk is like all these characters I don't think about these people like

29:26

comic book superheroes and comic book super villains even though musk cultivates that sort of persona publicly

29:35

but I do see him having to the extent that we see technocracy transhumanism

29:42

post-humanism long-termism uh all these as dangerous or potentially devastating

29:50

ideas musk is without a doubt the most prominent advocate for all of them maybe

29:56

more importantly musk is actually making these ideas possible the the realization of these

30:02

Technologies are happening uh you know due to his wealth connections and companies you start with you know

30:09

oftentimes when I describe it you start with xai the creation of a digital mind Superior to a human being neurolink in

30:16

order to attach brains he proposes hundreds of millions or billions of brains connected to that AI system and

30:24

of course to each other in a sort of hive mind in order s better survive right to push forward

30:30

human evolution then you have his robotics project with Optimus the

30:36

humanoid robot to take care of all the The Drudge work and the labor that blue collar people do now and this proposal

30:44

for radical abundance wherein the last job will be programming Ai and then

30:49

eventually AI will program itself he declared that 2019 at the world

30:54

artificial in intelligence Summit in Shanghai China CH uh arguing with Jack Ma and you know the the entire concept

31:02

of having highways dominated by or exclusively um uh covered in that's not

31:10

the right word but that you exclusively have autonomous vehicles or primarily

31:15

autonomous vehicles I mean it sounds great in theory if you like to read or make out with your girlfriend in the car

31:20

while it drives itself but I mean your freedom of movement is going to be uh immediately curtailed if the person with

31:27

the master switch be it the corporation or the government or both decides that's it for you like the trucker Convoy

31:33

something like that and on down I mean um you know this whole dream of going into space I you know I hate to sound

31:39

like the radical lefties of the 60s and 7s when they're gripping about you know

31:45

they're white man's going to space while we're suffering down here but I would say that I feel more like that than I do

31:50

excited about people going out to you know kick around on some dead rocks out in the solar system and maybe bring back

31:56

some some or I'm just not excited about it and I think it's maybe even an impossible dream anyway so I yeah I the

32:04

entire world view that Elon Musk stands for does not appeal to me and uh I'm not

32:10

going to try to portray him as some sort of evil villain but I will say uh closing on musk that it was very curious

32:17

to me on Halloween uh must have been Halloween of 2022 uh right when he bought Twitter he

32:26

shows up in that Devil's Champion Halloween outfit and it was you know put all over the media and it has the U it

32:34

was actually a ram head but it it it resembles the the goat head of the Bame

32:39

and uh with an upside down cross IM blazed on it and then of course the same on the um what do you call them

32:46

gauntlets or bracers uh on the arms and uh you know it was really weird to me

32:51

because you know Elon Musk has cted the the right so much and so many people

32:57

whom I respect just adore Elon Musk uh and I can understand if you are an atheistic right-winger why you would see

33:05

Elon Musk as a good guy or a guy on your side but it just I cannot understand the

33:11

millions upon millions of Christian conservatives who turn a blind eye to that sort of thing because you know

33:19

people oftentimes they're like it was just a Halloween costume man well he used it in his Twitter uh profile pick

33:26

until just very very recently when uh he changed the name to x i the sort of

33:33

thing I'm not trying to paint some sort of picture of a secret Illuminati in

33:38

which musk is employed to bring the right into Satanism but in effect um

33:45

perhaps in a kind of complex adaptive system sort of way uh that's exactly

33:51

what's happening at least on a symbolic level well that's that that's some of the points that I've made in the past is

33:56

that um you know I like what he's doing when it comes to Twitter and Free Speech I

34:03

like how he stands up against the radical left and and those type of things but if I were trying to take over

34:09

the world and put a chip in everybody's brain and let's say I had evil

34:15

intentions let's say I'm not saying he does but let's just say that that uh that that that he did um I would want to

34:23

court the right because you have the Christians on the right for the most part um you have uh the

34:31

group that has more values more shared values within that's very close to

34:36

family and knowing that you can always go back to the left but if you got the right on your side to begin with uh it's

34:44

a way to build a bridge um in the future and uh it would be a good plan if that

34:51

were if that were his in you know his intention I don't know that it is um I I do like a lot of the stuff that he's

34:57

he's saying and know the other side of it is if we're barreling down towards

35:03

transhumanism whether we like it or not do we want somebody uh that's kind of I'm not going

35:10

to say in charge but at the top that seemingly at least has certain shared

35:15

values that seemingly likes uh freedom of speech um that seemingly wants to

35:22

fight against the the radical left you know what do you think about that question

35:28

it's better uh than the alternative you know just a homogeneous block of

35:35

left-wing uh techn fetishists taking over the world uh but honestly as far as

35:42

the political Spectrum goes um I think that you know it's it's been described

35:48

that in America there's the red tribe the blue tribe and the gray tribe the gray tribe being uh technologist Silicon

35:55

Valley they don't really fit clearly in it's mostly libertarian but they don't really fit in that and but to the extent

36:03

that you can pinpoint most transhumanists they tend to be

36:08

libertarian they tend to be on the right they tend to be for personal freedom because they're you know mostly

36:15

billionaires uh who want to be able to create whatever technology and deploy it

36:20

without anybody getting in their way uh that would be Peter teal Mark Andre musk

36:25

is very much on that wavelength Sam Alman as Lefty as he is in some ways Sam

36:31

alman's very much like that too then among the actual transhumanist ideologues um you know Max Moore who

36:38

coined transhumanism at least in the context of as we use it now uh Max Moore

36:44

uh is very much uh libertarian and is completely averse to the proposals that

36:50

the world economic forum for instance uh he he was very angry at me or he he let

36:56

me know that he did not appreciate uh being in the same book as a lot of those

37:02

characters or at least that I didn't make a clear distinction between him and them and in retrospect I probably should

37:07

have even if it doesn't mean that I agree with him so um as far as it goes uh those who want economic freedom

37:15

and personal freedom and morphological Freedom as they say we that's that's most of the people who are developing

37:21

these Technologies who own these companies that's most of them uh and then in so far if if if the wi right if

37:29

the wi is um Christians uh if if we are the the

37:35

traditionalist West interestingly enough a lot of these guys have um like

37:41

underneath them you have all of these prot technology Christians everything from evangelicals to you know you even

37:48

have the Vatican talking about how to harness AI in ethical ways that it

37:54

doesn't do harm in fact the first conference that the Vatican had in person after the pandemic was on

38:01

artificial intelligence a massive conference uh multiple days so um I

38:07

guess the way I see it is like this you know if you just separate out all of the ideological elements just temporarily

38:13

and just look at it in terms of the Technologies themselves and the inherent shifts in values or inherent shifts in

38:21

life paths or civilizational paths and the way we live and what is at the Forefront of our attention at any given

38:27

moment and and how children are reared how children are even conceived how we die all these sorts of

38:35

really important questions technology is is is somewhat politically neutral in

38:40

that fashion somewhat and so if we're rocketing towards a singularity in which

38:46

artificial intelligence is destined to become more intelligent than human beings and more capable if we're

38:52

rocketing towards a future in which you have no clear distinction between human

38:57

and machine uh you know in some way it really doesn't matter if you've got

39:02

Libertarians right-wingers uh even conservative Christians leading that charge or if you have uh you know Froot

39:09

Loop leftist leftists and liberals and and Communists doing it it will change the flavor of it obviously but in the

39:16

end um what they're talking about is uh not a world in which they program this

39:23

machine now this is the narrative I'm not saying this is necessarily how they actually think about it but the

39:29

narrative is that the machine itself will come to make its own decisions all we do musk says this uh regularly all we

39:38

can do is guide it kind of like you're raising a child so yeah I I don't I'm

39:43

not really optimistic about musk uh or teal I actually think teal is more interesting character in many ways uh

39:51

but I I don't think that a future to the extent we put our future in their hands

39:56

and our civilizational orientation in their hands uh we are entering a dark Eon as it were yeah no it's it's it's

40:04

interesting because we are we're moving so fast I don't think most people even realize kind of what's going on even the

40:10

ones that are at the top they don't understand what's going on they say they don't know how the AI comes up with what

40:15

it you know comes up with um I mean we're training uh some different systems right now for cancer Diagnostics and

40:23

it's not known how exactly it works you know you uh I know that we need about 500,000 images to train this Ai and you

40:31

know I want to get to that point for this for the solid tumors but you know that the the bigger impacts across the

40:36

world it's like uh you know I do ask the question you know are we doing the right thing which I do believe we are for for

40:42

cancer and I think that there's do you think it's an all or nothing like you can't at all have any type of AI or you

40:48

can't like you know where do you think the line is that we shouldn't cross I I

40:54

say who's we um ah good question so I guess all of society right now like is

41:00

from a a world standpoint the entire world because ultimately uh you know what the what

41:07

they want is a One World Government that's that's coming uh so I guess let's

41:13

say let's say that I'm not for that which I'm not I'm on the side that would want to fight against that but I also

41:19

think that uh some AI is is good I mean is that uh because you study this a lot

41:26

more than I have obviously is that online with how you're thinking or is it a different idea like I said there'll be

41:33

very very different approaches to this if um there's good reasons not to make me King even for a day but if I were I

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would certainly ban any AI being created that was above human level intelligence

41:45

uh in fact I think that if I had my way about it civilization or at least the

41:52

sub civilizations the subcultures that that I have any impact on would minimize

41:57

it and and treat it as if it were radioactive or treat it as if you were

42:03

summoning demons you know and if we have to summon the demon to do our will then you have to be sure to do it in a

42:09

specific way and to banish it and keep it banished most of the time but that's not what what's happening um yeah you

42:16

know the health care aspect is one of the trickiest because what kind of

42:22

monster says if you're able to train a system on 500 or thousands of cancer images and

42:30

now you have an AI that can readily understand a radiology image and and

42:35

much better than human which they do um probably your system can recognize the

42:40

beginnings of a tumor much more readily than a human eye um you can't use it

42:46

because it's AI because it's black magic um even if I believe that which to some extent I actually do without going into

42:53

all that um there's no secular argument against it and we live in a secular

42:58

society in which reason must be employed and evidence must be employed before you

43:04

begin legislating something away same with the neuralink U or any of the other brain computer interfaces that are

43:10

already in people's heads U you know musk is very late to the game teal beat him with that beat him to that with

43:16

black rock neurotech and a smaller company syron under Tom Oxley they've

43:22

also beat musk to it so in all of those cases the people who already have Advanced Brain computer interfaces or

43:28

people who have been locked in um either from a stroke or often times it's ALS or

43:33

various you know just injuries paralysis um and so what you've got somebody who's a vegetable they can't communicate are

43:40

you going to say they can't have they can't develop brain computer interfaces for those people they just have to lay in the bed and they can never

43:46

communicate right it's a modern Miracle yeah um a really close friend of mine when we were younger his mother was in a

43:52

a horrible car accident and she lived for probably four or five years and um but was not able to communicate

44:00

and you know I would have given anything to see him be able to speak to her through something like a brain implant

44:06

like that so what are you going to do but the the underlying philosophy of transhumanism and I'm using Max Moore

44:14

you know sorry Max uh but it is a great blanket term but um one of the key

44:21

principles is from healing to enhancement and so all of these medical

44:28

uh projects are just initial phases for what will eventually be used for just

44:33

total enhancement of the human being uh I've been looking at AI as as in which

44:39

we do with all of our healthc care and Diagnostics is you know how can we do

44:44

something better than the current system and turn it upside down and shake it but

44:50

I also have some you know I have a lot of questions that you're talking about

44:56

too because I want to do the right thing for the world not just you know yeah like let's say that we you know we cure

45:03

cancer I mean that's a big one obviously I've had I'm sure we've all had family members or friends that have passed away

45:09

of cancer and you know if we can harness that to make a big difference but I also don't want to ruin the world by doing

45:15

that either well there's a lot of others so you're not going to hurt too bad you know it would be like if you had um

45:21

decided to become a heroin dealer unless you unless you take over the whole Market you just be one but this is

45:28

obviously very and I don't mean to diminish it because this very very different and it is it is U again if my

45:36

grandfather could have been you know he was at the end of his life but if if he could have been cured of cancer like that uh would I not want that to happen

45:43

uh you of course yeah and and certainly he would have even if he was you know reconciled to his

45:49

death yeah it's it's very very difficult uh you know I I I come back a lot to

45:55

just really religious philosophy there a lot of ways to think

46:00

about the material in relation to the spiritual to the extent that a religious philosophy separates the two at all but

46:08

to the extent that one does and and Jesus makes it pretty clear right my my kingdom is not of this world don't fear

46:15

those who come to kill the body but those who are going to kill the soul uh don't bury your treasure on Earth but

46:21

rather in heaven there's that that dualism is very is is is implicit in what Jesus is

46:27

saying um it it raises a lot of interesting questions uh what what is

46:33

the meaning of death uh how should we approach death how should we approach illness uh what did Jesus do throughout

46:39

his ministry healed people uh if we are not able to heal people in the same way that Jesus did without sophisticated

46:47

inst instruments uh then should we not develop those instruments but if those instruments also have corelates that

46:53

will accomplish other things uh then is that initial benefit ultimately

47:00

leading to something uh horrific uh even if it's not totalitarian even if it's totally free and it it becomes uh the

47:07

the human as we are now the the the human as image of God becomes a very

47:13

very very different image due to the the free proliferation of these Technologies

47:19

it's it's very very tough uh you know I drove here and I walked in with boots

47:25

talking into a microphone U it's these are very very difficult questions and that's why to me the the we question um

47:34

I think that really has to be qualified who who is we yeah no that's that's good I I you're reminding me I need to pray

47:41

about this a lot more uh specifically because um you know I think about it I

47:46

don't really pray about it and you know maybe uh have God guide me a little more specifically on this I mean what what's

47:52

your um thoughts on like next Generation sequencing and uh you know for instance we're doing

47:58

something called Optical genome mapping where we map The genome what's your thoughts on those type of Technologies

48:03

you know um everything from genome sequencing to I'm sure you've seen the

48:08

the really incredible protein modeling U Alpha fold out of Deep Mind was the

48:14

first big story but a lot of other people are doing it meta U

48:19

Salesforce and then of course the modeling of of biological systems uh

48:24

modeling the human body modeling ecosystems um modeling uh the cosmos it

48:31

would be impossible we would never understand the relationship of stars within galaxies and the relationship of

48:37

all the galaxies to each other were it not for Advanced Computer modeling

48:42

so it's it's you know a lot of times I think of it in terms of uh mysticism

48:47

versus magic uh that the Mystic seeks to gain some sort of insight about the

48:55

nature of Ultimate Reality uh whereas the magician is trying to manipulate that reality uh and the magician turns

49:02

to mysticism in under in order to understand it better perhaps but mostly in order to manipulate mostly in order

49:09

to apply the will to reality and that's really kind of how I think about it it's

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probably if I was Catholic my priest would tell me I was a heretic and probably send me to the P but um and and

49:22

I to the extent that this sort of materialist mysticism of science um

49:30

occurs I I I think it's it's very beautiful it exposes corners of the universe uh even

49:37

tiny little Corners within us that are uh just absolutely extraordinary and to me the world that it reveals reveals the

49:45

the hand of a Creator much more so than the more random processes uh

49:52

but that world it reveals has very much obscured or overshadowed the the many

50:00

worlds the many visions of the world beyond that religion hands down to us

50:05

the the symbols that direct us towards a a super material or Supernatural realm

50:11

uh that that largely science in the modern era has come to just simply replace that and so that knowledge came

50:17

with at a tremendous cost and then to the extent that we're just specifically

50:23

to genome sequencing to the ENT we're sequencing genomes in order to better

50:29

manipulate the genome and create new types of organisms and this is done on the regular in bof foundaries new types

50:35

of organisms to put in the food and the soil and the air so on and so forth uh or entirely new animals or or maybe a

50:43

better way of putting it to create uh very different versions or subspecies of animals which you know people they're

50:50

working towards that right now and then turning it in on us creating very different types of

50:55

people um I think we're definitely playing with fire but um since the first

51:02

caveman I guess we've always been playing with fire so yeah I know it's it's interesting because um you know one

51:12

there's a few thoughts on what you just said that reminded me of a few different things number one I think that the

51:18

government uh whoever is pulling the strings is trying to to replace god with science science is the new God and and

51:25

um I think we saw that over the whole covid absolutely thing that we were going through I mean I was speaking out

51:30

from the beginning and I took so much heat I got Shadow band all this stuff on

51:36

on the internet and uh but I was reading the models initially when it first came out uh there was one uh out of Oxford uh

51:44

that was very very accurate at the time and actually Ronda santis actually hired a couple of those people to be on his uh

51:49

Consulting team in Florida after a little while um but then you had the uh Ferguson um Imperial that was putting

51:56

out there were going to be 2 million deaths his modeling uh actually had a lot less people getting covid but it had

52:01

a lot more people dying a higher mortality rate and um but as it was

52:06

going you know they were suggesting that the assumptions in these models were actually science and and factual the

52:13

assumptions were factual uh especially because they were just posting on the headlines in the news the assumptions of

52:21

the worst case scenarios and you know they were it was

52:26

being proclaimed as science trust science if you don't trust science you're an idiot trust science well wait a second you know this this Science is

52:32

based off assumptions this is not like science as in this is what it is this is a moving uh type of science there's

52:39

different types of Science of course so uh when I saw that and then I saw the whole mask debacle uh you know then I

52:47

saw the whole clothes everything down flatten the curve it was all

52:52

Bs uh and if if people were being being honest about it uh if scientists could be honest about they would have said

52:58

that but if they did speak out against what was going on you got cancelled you got called names I mean you saw what was

53:04

happening between uh the head of the NIH um Francis Collins and fouchy when they

53:10

were going back and forth on these three really brilliant scientists they were that were like Harvard educated Stanford

53:18

epidemiologists um and they were just demonizing them oh uh bararia korf and

53:25

the woman sorry yeah that's okay sorry Gupta I think last anyway I think Gupta

53:31

was out of uh Oxford it was G that's her name yes that was who was running yes

53:36

that was who was running the uh uh initial models in Oxford and at the time by the way this is March of 2020 they

53:43

had a 0.023 fatality rate way before it was popular people even nowadays I don't

53:50

think they know that that's how low it was probably even a little lower yeah but um you know

53:55

you look at how the establishment science took over all of a sudden

54:01

science became consensus yeah and there's a whole debate on that they're saying well science isn't consensus or

54:06

science is consensus like no it's not science is not consensus that's not my understanding of science uh and you know

54:12

science you're always asking questions and you're not going to be demonized for asking questions and when you're right

54:18

you have a hypothesis that gets proven true uh it should be acknowledged but they spent months see a

54:25

lot of times we' discover something and before the mainstream media uh or the

54:31

science establishment acknowledge it was 6 months 12 months later in the meantime

54:37

uh people like me were being demonized for even suggesting or showing uh what

54:42

they were hiding it's astounding you know what you see it in a lot of different areas of science too obviously

54:50

with climate change uh I'm I'm actually very much pro- environmentalist and I think the human being should do

54:56

everything possible to restrain our impact on the environment and allow ecosystems to flourish as best as

55:02

possible alongside us but um and I'm not I'm honestly and people hit me on this

55:08

all the time I'm not convinced that and through uh that the human uh caused

55:13

global warming isn't happening I just simply don't know I'm just totally agnostic on it uh mainly because of the

55:19

politicization of it and that their models um the the idea that the their

55:25

models will be able to predict the weather uh some 20 to 100 years hence I just find it ridiculous when they get

55:31

the temperature wrong every day yeah and so but I get the concept and I I I again

55:38

I think that um I just think that in general it distracts from what is really important

55:44

that uh you know habitat preservation species preservation and U you know the

55:50

elimination as much as possible of pollution that that should be the main focus and anyway uh but you see it in in

55:57

clim in climate change or climatology uh you see it in uh anthropology in

56:03

physical anthropology and and other uh related elements one of the the less

56:11

offensive uh onpc takes from the world of biology is that you know men with XY

56:18

chromosomes are significantly different than women with XX chromosomes um and there but there are a lot of other

56:25

implications to uh behavioral genetics uh and and cognitive psychology that are

56:32

pretty well established and completely forbidden to be discussed without being destroyed and that's you know that's a

56:39

long-standing u kind of tyranny of the science and lots and lots and lots of

56:44

other things so um and I would say that in general like um scientific materialism uh is you know forms a kind

56:51

of soft tyranny within the Sciences so that some of of the wackier uh more crack potish uh

56:59

researchers who were into parapsychology or any other uh any other scientific

57:04

Pursuit that allows for non-materialistic causation to to look for causes that may be coming from

57:11

outside of the system uh that's just laughed away like creationists and all that or intelligent design that's all

57:17

just laughed away now I I also think that evolutionary theory as you know the

57:22

kind of standard or dogmatic evolutionary Theory Neo darwinian evolutionary theory you know just

57:28

basically looking at mutation natural selection and various ecological

57:33

relationships that that is a much more coherent and convincing narrative with

57:39

much much more evidence behind it than anything that the intelligent design guys have done but one of the reasons

57:46

for that and I'm not saying who's right or wrong but one of the reasons for that is because intelligent if you say you're

57:52

a an evolutionary biologist or a biologist who is an intelligent design theorist you're going to get zero

57:58

funding and everyone you get zero respect and so that consensus just forms

58:04

a barrier between any of the wild ideas that might actually shake up the Paradigm and uh like one of the most

58:12

amazing is U Alfred Wagner the geologist who proposed what we now call plate

58:19

tectonics and it was his late I believe this was in the 60s and he they still

58:25

weren't sure is the earth kind of expanding to do that is the earth Contracting you know to spread the continents apart is it Contracting to

58:32

create the mountains uh what's going on is it the sun you know all these different theories and his his theory

58:37

was that the the continents sit on tectonic plates that are shifting and he was ridiculed it was it was he was early

58:45

on it but it was in the 60s that they accepted it uh and he didn't get to enjoy it he was a crackpot the entire

58:50

time now I'm sure other geologists had all sorts of really even wackier theories that involved leviathans under

58:56

the the Earth's crust or whatever and I'm not saying you should take them seriously but I do think that the the

59:02

the disident voice is essential in science and and yeah we saw it in the pandemic and you see it all over the

59:07

place well what got me was for instance the natural immunity thing yeah you know there was a study in out of Israel that

59:15

showed natural immunity was 26 or 27 times more effective than the vaccine it

59:20

was a great study there was a number of other uh studies that eventually came up in a meta analys is showing that but if

59:26

you were to post that anywhere or talk about it they would immediately take it down or they would immediately Shadow

59:32

ban it that's one of the things that got me shadow Bann because I was pushing that hard I'm like look you know why can't we acknowledge natural immunity

59:39

what what is the problem here I mean it's it's it's been this way forever and

59:44

it's been acknowledged for just because now we have covid all of a sudden natural immunity is not going to be a

59:49

thing but that's that's the narrative that they push because they wanted to push their vaccines that's that was the

59:55

goal they wanted to make their hundreds of billions of dollars and get everybody which you know is a gene therapy by the

1:00:00

way um they don't like to acknowledge that but I mean that's that's what we're talking about uh at least the MRNA one

1:00:06

is is a gene therapy and so um you know it just showed me a lot as to where we

1:00:13

are with society and that there there seems to be another plan uh that we're not in on sure but we but we see it in

1:00:21

almost everything they're doing right now you know that plan uh that big plan

1:00:26

I'm I'm also fairly agnostic on where to locate that plan um you know the three

1:00:34

theories that I work with the one that most people would say it is that simply

1:00:39

your mind projecting agency onto a semi chaotic system uh looking for some

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1:00:45

unifying agent that is moving through it and your cognitive triggers are always going to push that out there the second

1:00:53

is that uh there's a cabal of you know singular cabal or multiple like small

1:00:59

cabals that really do control everything and they are guiding us towards a one world government or they're guiding us

1:01:05

towards a transhuman future uh or they're guiding us to wear um I don't know dresses or whatever uh and then you

1:01:12

know and that is also that's the one I actually U am least persuaded by uh the

1:01:20

the one that makes more sense to me anyway is is that you have a whole lot

1:01:25

of little small cabals uh most of them in competition with each other and oftentimes swimming in unison like fish

1:01:33

uh because their interest uh align temporarily here and then when they don't then the friction is caused and so

1:01:40

that it's mostly the system is mostly uh pockets of order with a lot of chaos to

1:01:46

keep it shifting around and yet there's also a kind of a direction right there's

1:01:52

a teolog to this you I can't get away from

1:01:57

and if that if that TS is a cabal no one

1:02:04

has been able to really locate them it's I mean not well people have located a lot of them right is it the lizard

1:02:10

people is it the Jews is it the Masons is it the Catholics uh is it the

1:02:15

capitalists is it the Communists is it the satanists is it the Christians um so

1:02:21

people have been able to locate it but I've never seen any persuasive evidence that any one of those are even unified

1:02:26

within themselves let alone having a a singular cabal at the top and so the third Theory uh probably the most

1:02:34

ancient is that there is an intelligence above human intelligence that is either

1:02:40

directing or attracting events towards itself um but you know in a secular

1:02:47

society in a society of reason and rationalism uh that hypothesis don't fly

1:02:54

yeah well I mean I think what you're saying is you know there's uh uh good

1:02:59

and evil there's a devil and uh I think that's the most logical one for me uh

1:03:06

because you see you know evil in a lot of different places and and you're right you can't exactly put put your finger on

1:03:12

it but when you have all these coincidences happening you know it's it's not a coincidence they're

1:03:18

coinciding for a reason and um you know if if you take what happened with Co I

1:03:24

thought about this a lot and at first I mean March 2020 I was speaking out

1:03:30

against things and saying this is an adding up you know so you can imagine then I don't know what your position was

1:03:36

at the time but I'm talking about much the same I was on an island I felt like I was on island you know family you know

1:03:43

uh friends you know they respected where I was coming from and they know that I'm going to speak out you know speak the

1:03:49

truth the best that I can but they're also like what do you really you know really you know this is this seems really bad and you know it was bad in

1:03:56

many ways but um what are the odds where you have uh let's call them the most

1:04:01

controversial president at least of our lifetime maybe ever in US history maybe

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and a virus is released the year of his election you

1:04:14

know he's up for election again in November everything seems like it's going pretty good in January you have

1:04:21

this divisive president you know around March of 2020 the world shuts down and

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it happens to be the thing that keeps him from being president again what are the odds of that's not a coincidence now

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I don't know who's doing that who's pulling those strings but let's I mean I would agree that it's evil sure you know

1:04:42

yeah that seems pretty uncontroversial unless of course you believe Trump is evil in which case it was all worth it

1:04:49

yeah well that's the whole other point like you know I wasn't a Trumper I I was not a Trumper uh I called him the

1:04:54

divider and chief yeah and that's that was and the entire time and where I was

1:05:00

wrong uh up until finally in January of 2020 I said I guess I was wrong but you

1:05:06

could ask my friends and family I said the whole time there's no way they'll let him be president again there's no

1:05:11

way he's causing I might like his policies but he's causing too much division with his rhetoric and I don't

1:05:17

think they're going to let him be president again they're going to crash the economy they're going to do something and then January was like I

1:05:22

guess I was wrong and then two months later of course we had this worldwide pandemic so you know I was I was I

1:05:30

wasn't a fan of his rhetoric I liked a lot of his policy um I actually watched an interview um with Jared Kushner

1:05:37

recently it's like three four hours long and he broke down what they accomplished

1:05:44

during that during the presidency and in many ways I mean I was already I'm

1:05:50

already going to vote for Trump obviously coming up I mean between him and Biden it's not really a choice anymore but when I really heard how much

1:05:58

he accomplished and his you know his thought process I respected uh kushner's

1:06:04

thought process too like I never heard him in a long form interview and I was listening like wow I mean he's breaking

1:06:10

things down in a very very you know logical way how they were thinking he he was talking about uh you know one of the

1:06:17

things that with with President Trump on foreign policy you know people talk about how unpredictable he is you know

1:06:23

to deal with but the the enemy countries per se felt like he was very

1:06:28

unpredictable they never knew how he was going to react and that actually helped us yeah and um so you know that that

1:06:35

interview really kind of not changed my mind like I said I was going to support him anyway but it got me to to really

1:06:41

appreciate a lot of his his thinking you know in between there well where were you at I I haven't looked at your stuff

1:06:47

like where were you at with with Trump all this time uh you know I never wrote about

1:06:52

Trump until 2020 uh and I haven't really other than

1:06:58

mentioning him I haven't written much about him since or said much about him and and you know real quick history of

1:07:05

me and Trump um you know 2016 2015 2016 his platform the first simple

1:07:12

platform is like Five Points you know confront China bring manufacturing home take care of the vet seal the Border one

1:07:19

other one um and all of them had links back to Breitbart uh all of them right

1:07:25

but every one of those points on his his initial platform I was like solid uh I

1:07:31

did not like I I like his personality I like that he you know calls people [ __ ] and that he acts like an

1:07:38

[ __ ] I actually like that um not necessarily as a president but just as a

1:07:44

you know a figure he's a hilarious figure great with a quip um and you know

1:07:50

as it turns out Bannon was behind a lot of that right uh the the the platform so

1:07:56

uh but I I just didn't you know I would have liked to have seen somebody who if if they you know he reflected my

1:08:03

political preferences so much I was like I would have rather it be somebody who was more intellectual perhaps a former

1:08:10

military or something some you know I I I had a cartoon in my head that I would have preferred and and you know when I

1:08:17

watched his inauguration speech U I think American Carnage I believe is was

1:08:22

called um man I I was just feeling in fact like it

1:08:28

was like a single tier like the the Indian looking at the paperwor like a single tear came out of my eye and

1:08:34

watching I was in Boston at the time watching my uh colleagues in Academia melt down like children while talking

1:08:41

about him being a a big baby it was so weird people weeping like having cry circles uh hugging each other and that

1:08:48

really like as the year wore on in 20 2016 and into 17

1:08:54

um and watching Everybody freak out and watching the worst I mean he summoned

1:09:00

demons out of the liberal left and the sort of Normy right that exposed them so

1:09:07

much uh I couldn't help but appreciate it I'm going to tell you something that I a comparison I made early on that

1:09:14

nobody uh none of my friends like this the even the even my Lefty friends that

1:09:20

are left uh that remain he uh reminded me a lot of Anton

1:09:25

l in you know you know Anton L Church of Satan yes yes yes um now I I I'm not

1:09:32

saying that Trump's satanic I'm not like what's the guy's name uh Donnie Darko or

1:09:37

Donnie Darkness or something the the guy who believes Trump's the Antichrist on the internet just actually quite funny it puts together all this numerological

1:09:43

stuff showing that Trump is indeed the Antichrist it's hilarious but um you

1:09:49

know Anton Le's whole thing was poking the bear of Christianity of uh of what he saw is hypocritical Christianity uh

1:09:56

and you know everything from you know exposing the hypocrisy uh and you know

1:10:01

one of the the nine satanic statements I think it was the last one that L composed if if he didn't plagiarize it

1:10:08

anyway uh was that um that Satan has been the best friend that church has

1:10:14

ever had as he's kept it in business all these years and uh you know Trump that

1:10:20

Dynamic that L was trying to point out of the sanctimonious religious Orthodox

1:10:27

establishment and the the guilt that they bore for all the sins that they

1:10:32

were accusing The Witch of and the scapegoat of and throwing that on them on the um you know the demon to

1:10:39

excommunicate it somehow while still being able to maintain their own sins right the Catholic Church as we've seen

1:10:45

uh as you know I think it's a beautiful wonderful institution but the the priest Scandal has shown there was a lot going

1:10:51

on in there um so Trump in in many ways in a political way and in a cultural way

1:10:57

uh recapitulated that that sanctimonious establishment versus the accusing demon

1:11:05

and brought out the everything that they accused him of right racism right as they're pushing the BLM stuff and the

1:11:11

larazza stuff and you know all these identitarian deeply racist sort of ideas from the left in a different fashion

1:11:18

calling him racist calling him authoritarian as they are just crushing freedom and doing whatever they wanted

1:11:24

with our lives uh you know calling him greedy calling him you know some sort of oligarch or something while it was the

1:11:31

entirety of the left had the the majority of the oligarchy behind them uh and just so on and so warmonger all that

1:11:38

stuff like everything they accused them of they were in fact guilty of but they were able for their constituency the people that listen to them they were

1:11:44

able to offload all that sin and all those people who felt all those same things were able to offload that onto

1:11:50

Trump and drive him out like a scapegoat you know uh so uh you know I I'm sure

1:11:56

Trump probably would um have my kneecaps broken uh if he ever were to listen to this or or maybe he would be like that

1:12:02

guy's an [ __ ] who the [ __ ] is he anyway um but um yeah you know and

1:12:07

actually I'm not even saying it is necessarily a negative thing I think Anton L for all the darkness that he

1:12:13

conjured uh was correct in many ways in what he was saying in a very narrow way you know he called The Church of Satan a

1:12:19

cosmic Joy buzzer and uh while I think he was undoubtedly playing with demons that he claimed he didn't believe exist

1:12:26

um he did put he put He put the whoopy cushion under the um the sanctimonious

1:12:32

Christian establishment and so did uh so did Trump with the sanctimonious leftist Orthodoxy yeah I mean how many worse did

1:12:40

Trump start yeah zero right yeah I mean it's like uh what did he do for the

1:12:45

criminal justice system I mean they've been trying to get the the criminal justice uh mandatory minimum laws

1:12:52

changed for a long time um you know he did a lot of really good

1:12:57

things and absolutely you know if you if you look at us working in the whole I do

1:13:03

think though that he showed that you can do all these great things

1:13:10

but if you can't bring people together you know what do you really get out of for the country he raised a great

1:13:16

question who who is we yeah I guess yeah yeah I mean

1:13:24

the United States of America and people in the country of the United States he raised a great question is the United

1:13:31

States one we anymore if it ever was right and it's uh it's a question I

1:13:36

think is going to be much more pertinent as the years go on I mean don't you think he could have

Who is “We”?, Media Mind Control, Psychological Manipulation

1:13:43

brought people together more though like really put an effort in into it and actually you know with his great policy

1:13:50

with his not being a warmonger um as much as he was being

1:13:56

attacked uh you know a simple different approach you know I forgive you we're

1:14:02

going to bring the country together yeah um that wouldn't be Trump then right he

1:14:08

would be somebody else and in fact most of the people like his his most Ardent supporters when they do criticize him

1:14:14

it's for those sorts of concessions where he's you know oftentimes just trying to impress people across the

1:14:20

aisle um yeah I he could have been like I say I would have rather seen someone um of a

1:14:28

different sort of character but in the end that's the character we were that's the character who played the main role

1:14:34

and um in retrospect as much as at the time it was like I don't like that um in

1:14:40

retrospect was fantastic 2020 you know I rarely ever vote at all U but it was

1:14:46

2016 that uh really convinced me that voting actually matters uh maybe maybe

1:14:53

the last election in which voting matters but uh mattered but uh it did and so you know come come 2020 you know

1:15:00

I flew from Montana back to Tennessee just to cast that one vote just to you know to for my own conscience um I wrote

1:15:07

an article about it for the Federalist and you know whittling away even more friends U and which is you know whatever

1:15:15

are those even real friends but um and you know I was 100% behind him because

1:15:21

you know in retrospect looking back on that first term uh I agree with you completely his policies by and large

1:15:27

were fantastic and uh and I think just as a leader as a decision maker I I

1:15:34

never liked the dopiness I really didn't as a as a with the kind of face that is

1:15:41

uh out to the world from our country our our our symbolic leader never liked it but in retrospect it was exactly what

1:15:47

needed to happen Bannon often times calls him an an imperfect instrument in

1:15:53

a china shop to wreck the administrative State and I I you know I really

1:15:58

appreciated it now I mean 2023 U boy boy do I miss it but maybe these things just

1:16:05

have to go this way to some extent I mean I don't know how much is authored in the stars and how much is Just

1:16:11

bubbling up from the quantum chaos but um just it almost feels like that uh all

1:16:19

of this had to happen at least something like this well you think about you know the attacks from the the left I mean he

1:16:27

conjured up a lot yeah I mean the it the Russia investigation when that first

1:16:34

happened by the way I got programmed by the media to think that it was true you know first I'm like I mean you it was

1:16:41

the first time really that they had come after him like that you know with these you know big investigation and it's on

1:16:47

the news constantly and my thought was pretty logical thought we couldn't have this many

1:16:54

organizations saying this is what's going on for and it not be true uh finally when it came out with

1:17:02

the Moher investigation that was pretty much all Bs like whoa I mean that was

1:17:09

very telling right there because that was their shot and you know from then on how can you trust the mainstream media

1:17:16

they don't even acknowledges they still try to say there was something with him in Russia there was nothing with him in Russia like the investigation if there

1:17:22

was something with him in Russia he would have been uh indicted ultimately once again look at Trump's

1:17:29

lies he's a liar right you know and then you got 50 former Intel agents and

1:17:36

officials and I think even a director or two uh signing the statement that the laptop uh the laptop it was Russian

1:17:44

misinformation bear it Bears all the Hallmarks of Russian disinformation yeah uh it's what surprises me is not so much

1:17:51

I mean we've always known that uh The Establishment lies and we've always known that our Intel agencies manipulate

1:17:58

or least certain sectors of the Intel agencies manipulate public discourse on the regular in other countries and in

1:18:04

ours what drives me out of my mind are all the otherwise intelligent people

1:18:11

that I know who have in essence been programmed to hate Trump as if he were a

1:18:16

scapegoat as if he were Satan himself and they somehow think that Trump you

1:18:23

know lying about the size of the crowd gathering at his inauguration is more

1:18:29

important uh than them lying about the nature of that laptop you know or them

1:18:36

lying at least supporting uh the the Müller report uh

1:18:41

or you know any of the other many many distractions and outright Fabrications

1:18:47

that the kind of left liberal and Rhino right Orthodoxy uh that their their

1:18:53

power and legitimacy rest on and they can't it's not that they won't it's as

1:18:58

if they can't if Free Will isn't even there even with acknowledgement of the Ste dossier yeah I mean that's that's

1:19:04

incredible I mean yeah they don't care and you were talking about uh earlier I

1:19:10

think you mentioned that if um Trump is evil then you know we can create lies

1:19:17

and stuff and and and it's worth it yeah I that seems like what the mentality is they they I I believe they think Trump

1:19:24

is evil I think they absolutely believe he's the worst person ever uh the

1:19:29

question is if the media has the power to attack somebody just because they

1:19:36

think that they're evil and do whatever they can not just the media the let's call it the establishment um what happens when they

1:19:44

think you're the same way as it said many times and I agree with it completely uh they're not just coming

1:19:49

after him they're coming after you you know this is like what you see happening to Trump you're next and maybe not

1:19:57

everybody probably not everybody probably not most people but there you see with January 6 they they're more

1:20:03

than willing to make some examples of anyone who who steps up and you just

1:20:08

never know when your your numbers going to get pulled uh and if it does they can

1:20:15

make things very uncomfortable for you if you're around it all yeah I mean we're we're seeing it constantly what

1:20:21

they're doing to Trump right now he's got indictments yeah uh you know facing hundreds of years in prison um the thing

1:20:30

that's going on in New York with him with the uh fraud case is incredible the judge ruled before he even had a trial

1:20:38

you know I mean it's and the valuation on his home they said oh it's between 18

1:20:43

and 28 million we all know that's complete BS you know the the details I haven't followed but but I to the extent

1:20:51

that I have I mean you know at some point it becomes kind of uh mind-numbing uh you know it's obvious what's

1:20:57

happening yeah even if let's just say that he uh is guilty of some of it right

1:21:03

knowing the degree of corruption uh among those who are accusing him of this you know treasonous U you know illegal

1:21:11

activity it's it's just very obvious that uh you know kind of the that Dynamic of guilt and innocence is it

1:21:18

operates on the basis of power and consensus as much as anything else uh so that you're kind of all looking around

1:21:24

like everybody kind of skirts the rules here and there that's the way politics works that's the way business works and

1:21:29

and in fact I think to some extent that's the way it should work I don't think everything should be legalistic and ruled from the top down but you turn

1:21:36

a blind eye to what the guy next to you is doing what your allies are doing and you hope that they do the same to you

1:21:42

but the minute you fall out of favor suddenly you're you're evil incarnate you saw like Trump with all of his all

1:21:48

of the establishment by and large some people hated him yeah but for the most part most people you know they saw Trump

1:21:54

yeah he's a businessman he's an American you know whatever he's a liberal right he's very much a liberal sexually

1:21:59

liberal uh economically liberal you know racially liberal he's a liberal and always was but the minute he came out

1:22:06

with even just like a moderately right-wing and you know people point it out all the time like his right-wing

1:22:12

views were just Democrat views a decade and a half earlier um as soon as that happened all the people who have known

1:22:18

him this entire time suddenly suddenly he's evil incarnate it says a lot about human psychology for those who actually

1:22:26

genuinely felt that way about him uh but I think it also tells us a lot about how

1:22:32

psychological manipulation operates and and and how the human mind operates and and moral structure and moral reasoning

1:22:39

operate and that U most of it is not rational most of it's subrational most of it's emotional and and therefore

1:22:45

subject to uh the most the most devious of manipulations well I think that's why

1:22:51

you know go back back to your book that's why you know you have concern because if the algorithm can program

1:22:58

people this easily you know what defenses do we have against something that we don't even really know about one

1:23:05

of my favorite chapters to write was the eighth chapter it was um it's entitled impraise of mad prophets and it's mostly

1:23:12

about the lunatics whose psychoses and hallucinations anticipated something

1:23:19

like what we're experiencing right now going back to the 1900s people envisioning um machines coming alive and

1:23:26

taking over and and not not just fiction writers and and philosophers but just

1:23:32

lunatics sure who could see it coming uh but one part of that the section is

In Praise of Mad Prophets, Lost Humanity, The Battle Between Good & Evil

1:23:38

called uh find people on both sides and it's a comparison of the way in which

1:23:43

youve all knowah Harari is is experienced and treated by the populist

1:23:48

right and Trump has been by The Establishment and the the example I use you remember the fine people hoax and

1:23:55

they basically they took a snippet but they refused to play the rest of it uh where he's like you know you had find

1:24:00

people on both sides but you know but I'm not talking about the white nationalist them I condemn completely but they just they only played the part

1:24:06

to find people on both sides and they just did that over and over and over again so it's drilled into your head and it's like you know to the point that

1:24:13

once they if anybody even found out about the rest they didn't care um and that's one of the ways it's a very cheap

1:24:20

trick it's kind of like a cheap deep f fake it's not fake but it is fake you you take that snippet somewhat out of

1:24:27

context and you know it's going to hit hard and even if they see the rest of the context that emotional impact has

1:24:32

been had and you're going to be able to drive all sorts of either political agendas or economic agendas or even

1:24:38

religious agendas on the basis of it now with Harari um he he had the

1:24:44

surveillance under skin hoax uh where you know the entire culture around the

1:24:50

vaccines contain advanced techn Oles Beyond which anyone is aware of outside of you know this strange Fringe uh and

1:24:59

um you know there was that one snippet it just infuriated me because I spent a lot of time reading Harari criticizing

1:25:05

Harari especially his atheistic points of view and his his views on Free Will which he believes don't is not a thing

1:25:11

uh but then you know it's spend so much time understanding this dude and all of a sudden you know you got these guys

1:25:16

coming out of from The Fringe and is like you see Harari is talking about the the vaccines when he says that

1:25:22

surveillance is going under the skin that was the the famous interview or round table with the Athens democracy

1:25:29

forum and he's talking about they asked him what what will we remember Co for and he said you know Co will be

1:25:35

remembered as the the period when everything went digital and Co will be remembered for the era when surveillance

1:25:41

goes under the skin and they took that and you know put a bunch of other VX bot stuff to it right the intrabody Nano

1:25:48

networks you know and the look at the patents just look at the patents and and um it was so strange because if you just

1:25:55

listened I mean they obviously either only listened to that which I doubt but they knew the rest of what he was saying and they're just intentionally lying

1:26:00

just like the mainstream media does uh because what he went on to say is that

1:26:06

with the system that's being put in place justified by covid policies you

1:26:12

were setting yourself up for a digital dictatorship and that the stalins of the

1:26:17

future will not need KGB agents to follow everyone around they will have

1:26:23

biosensors everywhere they'll have algorithms that can interpret those biosensors and surveillance will have

1:26:29

gone under the skin and it's a bad thing right um and the thing that is really

1:26:35

curious to me for those who did actually watch the entire

1:26:40

talk other than being able to boost your numbers with with a sensationalist

1:26:45

meme what purpose is served by keeping people from from thinking about what he

1:26:51

was actually saying mhm um it's dark Eon

1:26:57

indeed yeah I I think you know what you're talking about people hear these days what they

1:27:03

want to hear yeah and they get the clips and they share the clips of what they want to hear uh I think what we saw on

1:27:09

Co at least for me people would repost things based on

1:27:14

headlines if you read the article uh that the headline was

1:27:20

on and the article would say something a little different than the headline and

1:27:25

then if you clicked on the study that the article was writing about the study would say something completely different

1:27:33

yeah and that kind of sums up where we're at these day days headlines are

1:27:40

what cause people to act and do and see uh you know the the algorithm Is So

1:27:46

based off on these headlines getting shared in the confirmation bias that gives people to make them right

1:27:53

and that's where we're at I'm right you're wrong you know that that's where we're at in society and and you know how

1:28:00

many relationships can you keep by making everybody around you wrong yeah

1:28:05

and you know that's that's kind of where we're at though right now we forgot the humanity you and I might you we might

1:28:12

disagree on certain things I'm not here to make you wrong and you're not here to make me wrong we're we're having a

1:28:18

conversation trying to figure out this very complicated thing we call life right now yeah and I I feel like we've lost that

1:28:26

Humanity uh in in giving people Grace and realizing I know I don't I was

1:28:31

sharing with you some of the questions that I have some of the things that I'm questioning I don't have all the answers

1:28:36

I'm trying to figure this thing out too and if you were to attack me you know I'd get defensive and then i' you know

1:28:43

we'd fire back and forth but I feel like we've lost that as as a society the humanity that we all have within each

1:28:49

other that we're losing in my opinion because of the algorithm and the division that it's causing it's really odd you know the

1:28:56

ability to actually speak to someone from a different pos position let alone

1:29:02

a different culture a different religion um I imagine it's always been with us

1:29:08

right like Egyptians would have had you know they they were able to communicate with the Greeks and the Babylonians so on and so forth so like the

1:29:15

Multicultural Bridges have always been with us but I and perhaps I'm right perhaps I'm wrong but I I I imagine they

1:29:21

were error than in the early to mid early to mid to late 20th century I

1:29:28

don't know I'm kind of spitballing a date there but um you know the era in which we were heirs right growing up U

1:29:35

and this idea that one accepts or rejects an idea because you've thought

1:29:40

it over and that like a foreign idea or even a wrong idea or an offensive idea that is not doesn't taint the the

1:29:47

carrier of the idea it's just simply the idea where we're operating in a rational

1:29:54

Arena it's say you know you're an MMA fighter you know there are certain rules uh and you all agree on them yes I'm

1:30:00

trying to beat you to death but not to death to death right right um and in the

1:30:06

end if it's if it's gone well you know there's a camaraderie there's a respect and those Rules of Engagement I think

1:30:12

have just gone out the window and and but I just imagine those were rare at least among average people right um that

1:30:20

but and there was kind of a peak and now we're in this weird era where it's

1:30:25

returning to what again this is what I imagine most people to be like you know kind of atavistic very intensely tribal

1:30:34

uh not completely isolated obviously tribes have always traded but certain a certain degree of distance and a certain

1:30:40

degree of like that's disgusting you know you butter your bread on the the bottom side rather than the upside and that's just the natural way but on top

1:30:47

of layered on top of that innate human tendency towards ingroup bias and outgroup deration uh and the the innate

1:30:56

sense that the confirmation biases the any information that's going to confirm your view is is you're going to more

1:31:03

readily accept and and all the social elements that bubble up from that layered on top

1:31:10

of that you now have the algorithmic system the algorithmic silos that just intensify they play on those instincts

1:31:16

and and pre-existing social divisions and cultural divisions they intensify them you can manipulate them you can

1:31:23

steer them uh you or I can do that right if you know how to gain the algorithm you or I can do it on a very small scale

1:31:29

obviously Google's doing it really well the Democratic party does it well um and

1:31:34

you know Trump was able to do that as well right like that's in essence that's

1:31:40

the water we're swimming in the algorithmic OR digital sphere so that's

1:31:46

where we're at now and you think about I mean right right on the cusp now of of

1:31:53

really convincing deep fakes uh we're right on the cusp of

1:31:59

photorealistic metaverse environments virtual reality environments um and

1:32:04

we're also on the cusp of at least more widely distributed and more sophisticated algorithms that are able

1:32:12

to communicate and are somewhat agential and so it's like it's just I I don't

1:32:19

have a very very clear vision of where everything's going uh but one thing is for certain to the extent that just

1:32:26

those three Technologies let alone uh the the the rest of them deep fakes uh

1:32:32

the more intense immersion in that digital realm through the metaverse and the ability to Silo your self off

1:32:39

completely and then the introduction of autonomous personalities you know agents

1:32:44

that that are seemingly sensient or seemingly human or or perhaps sensient

1:32:51

uh uh and yeah I think that um again I don't have a very very clear vision of

1:32:56

where we're going but one imagines that it's going to be a combination of light and dark and um maybe it's a perspective

1:33:04

thing maybe it's an aesthetic thing I just see it as a very much a a spiritual and quite

1:33:12

possibly you know physical trial yeah no that that that um that makes a lot of

1:33:19

sense I mean it's it's interesting times that we're in and uh you know I like the way that you

1:33:24

put it earlier like good versus evil that simplifies it but that's you know I don't think there's like a one single

1:33:29

Cal either it's just but it is evil we see evil um I see a lot of good too but

1:33:35

uh I do see a lot of evil and we you see things like Balenciaga or uh I always

1:33:41

say your last name wrong but abam Abramovich oh Abramovic abovich or

1:33:46

Abramovic I can never you know Aon I don't know there you go but when I see

1:33:51

those things uh I know what evil is yeah you know at least especially when it sticks out like that and that is that is

1:34:00

evil um one thing I want to bring up before we close and then I want you to

1:34:05

uh you know end on whatever you want to end on with your with your book um I ask you this have you seen uh any evidence

1:34:12

of deep fakes with President Biden uh only the funny ones um if so

1:34:19

it's just it's blown past me uh if it's a really good deep fake you won't know the idea that Biden isn't

1:34:25

Biden or he's wearing a mask or anything like that uh I'm not persuaded but the

Deep Fakes of President Biden, January 6th, Being Over-Conspiratorial

1:34:31

thing with a really good deep fake or a really good bot like just a verbal bot a

1:34:37

really good language model that's manip manipulating you or communicating with you you're not going to know yeah I

1:34:43

caught one a couple years ago and I ran it through a deep fake analyzer and it was a deep fake okay I'll show it to you

1:34:49

in a little bit I was afraid to post it we might even put this podcast but um yeah I'll uh I'll send that one to you

1:34:55

but um yeah it I haven't seen anything recently that looked like a deep fake

1:35:01

but there was a speech that he was giving uh gosh was it 2020 I think it

1:35:06

was 2021 the summer of 2021 and it wasn't really his voice and I saw some

1:35:12

things in the screen I'm like that's a deep fake and people were sharing it and uh so yeah I screen recorded it and ran

1:35:20

through a deep fake analyze and sure enough it was a deep fake so we

1:35:25

might already be there yeah like I say you would you wouldn't know uh unless

1:35:31

that's one of the weird ironies of our era um we'll have to rely on AI to

1:35:38

uncover what is and isn't an AI and that's why I said you know a lot of people are like well what you know I

1:35:44

just should stop coding right I'm was going to leave my no I mean I I I think that it just as if we were in a war that

1:35:51

involved uh swords and shields as much as I would detest uh those weapons of

1:35:56

violence if you are going to have people you're going to need people on your side as you actually mentioned earlier you're

1:36:02

going to need people on your side that know how to make the weapons or at least how to defend against them um and so

1:36:08

yeah you know going into an era of deep fakes the detection of deep fakes or the detection of AI within string of text um

1:36:16

that's going to be really really important or you know in in an era of um of uh biological weapons of pathogens

1:36:23

that were created in in Labs uh you're probably going to need uh Advanced

1:36:30

genetic sequencing and and and surveillance technology in that way bios surveillance technology to uh to pick

1:36:36

those mutations out quickly so uh it's yeah interesting times indeed U on that

1:36:42

note you remember after the uh deadly Insurrection when uh Trump disappeared

1:36:50

for a while and uh eventually did uh you know a

1:36:55

broadcast out of some location I I believe it was maybe marao or something like that I don't remember the exact

1:37:01

location not the White House obviously not yeah I don't remember but so um and I was actually uh holed up I was it was

1:37:07

one of the last UFC gigs that I worked you know did rigging for concerts and

1:37:12

and whatnot but my primary employer was the UFC nice um and I there was a fight in Abu Dhabi in right around just after

1:37:21

J 6 so we were quarantining in hot quarantining in hotel in Las Vegas in order to take the flight over to Abu

1:37:28

Dhabi so I'm watching all this unfold stuck in a hotel room with one of my uh

1:37:33

fellow riggers coming by with a a pin and which only adds to the chaos so

1:37:40

um and as it's all unfolding it's just something I'm experiencing on television and on my phone and my phone's blowing

1:37:46

up and all these people are freaking out uh but then and one of my friends who was really freaking out out I mean he

1:37:51

thought this is it it's going down they're going to they're going to come down on us like we're going to the goog tomorrow kind of thing and he was he

1:37:57

kept just over and over again where is Trump where is Trump where is freaking out right and finally Trump does the the

1:38:07

talk or whatever you know this is really terrible what happened you know so on and so forth and I will not single the

1:38:15

guy out for being such a dunderhead but a very influential and prominent uh

1:38:21

right-wing thinker was like it's a deep fake it's a deep fake look at how his neck fits next

1:38:29

to his tie uh Trump may be in prison Trump may be dead that's not Trump he's

1:38:36

he's probably he's probably in prison uh and I'm like and he's showing me this

1:38:42

video he sending it to me like just look at it tell me what do you think is this no dude this this is turkey neck you

1:38:48

know it's him and and he was like you know kind of acting like I was the idiot

1:38:54

you know like you know you're just you're naive you you don't understand how these technology no dude it's it's him I

1:39:00

promise he'll be here next week he'll be here next year it's really him and um it

1:39:06

was just really interesting to me because you know while I really don't care for this certain right-wing thinker

1:39:12

who makes a number of other uh kind of idiotic observations about things

1:39:18

um it was also strange that he would go that far right like that we already were

1:39:24

seeing a kind of reality collapse and now I mean I I think um yeah without a

1:39:30

deep fake detector hell I mean half of what I think I know maybe isn't even real by the way can I get that software

1:39:37

from you is it free is it open yeah I will actually I'll send it to you I'll take it with me it'll be like um I'll end up like those uh the covid people

1:39:44

who you know you know they test it for Co everywhere and I'll be like everywhere I look I'll see a deep fake

1:39:49

anyway well you can don't actually found it online and and I tested it against other videos that were real and I tested

1:39:55

against other known deep fakes and it was 100% accurate then I ran that one through it was said 98% deep fake or 99%

1:40:02

deep fake I actually so I screen recorded I'll send you the screen recording so you can see the whole process and and what the speech is when

1:40:08

you hear the speech you'll get it when you watch the video like it's it's pretty obvious to me that's what caught

1:40:13

my attention actually somebody was posting it as knocking uh Biden and uh I

1:40:20

was like that's not even Biden that's a that's a deep fake and sure enough the White House had put that video out then I had chills what yes and then I'm like

1:40:28

whoa that was put out by the White House and uh yeah I get chills even talking about it and

1:40:33

then yeah I started I was trying to disprove myself in every way because it

1:40:39

freaked me out so bad uh and what he was saying and um so yeah I I'll I'll send

1:40:46

it to you though it's it's pretty free I don't even know what to think about it like what does it mean if the if that specific video because I don't think

1:40:52

that you know president I'm not like President Biden's not a person nothing like that I just and I'm still not

1:41:00

convinced well you know what in in five years we should uh reconvene on this

1:41:05

very topic and see if we have any idea what's real you know I I wonder yeah a

1:41:11

lot of Technologies a lot of over promising with Technologies deep fakes have been that's been a thing for a long

1:41:17

time and the threat of the deep fake has been a thing for a long time but man the ones that I've seen that are like

1:41:22

goofball deep fakes um they're getting better and better and those are cheap right that's cheap software um no

1:41:29

telling what the CIA or NSA or anybody like that has yeah um you know to do in

1:41:35

closing what would you want people to learn from your book or understand or

1:41:41

what questions would you want people to have when they get done reading your book uh the question should be where do

1:41:48

I go now uh what do I do uh that's supposed to be what you answer at the end of the book which I do give by the

1:41:54

way I give a a totally Eugen azed cultural genome for the reader at the

1:41:59

end Eugen azed to my preference and if they want to be if they want their minds and behaviors to be Eugen azed by my

What to Do After Reading “Dark Aeon” and Closing Remarks from Joe Allen.

1:42:06

mimic strain then um knock yourself out but uh you know I can't promise it's

1:42:12

going to work for you but it you know the really the the book is just it is

1:42:17

about this period of Rapid technological development and Reckless deployment um

1:42:24

you know radical adoption and the philosophies underpinning them and what

1:42:30

I really tried to bring out of it is the spiritual and you know religious

1:42:35

elements some some of which are openly declared the Declaration that we are creating Gods via algorithms uh some of

1:42:44

it U being more observation a good example would be very old one britz

1:42:50

Lang's 1927 film Metropolis the satanic

1:42:56

fbot it's um so that you know just the the way in which people view this this

1:43:03

technological surge that we're we're experiencing and will experience more so I I just want people to understand the

1:43:09

gravity of the situation and and and I I want people to understand the depth of the spiritual crisis we're in but I

1:43:16

don't you know I think a lot of people are freaked out right uh they they're

1:43:21

freaked out by my reporting at the war room um you know I've been meeting a lot of people I'm on this book tour I meet a

1:43:27

lot of people and uh one thing that I get a lot is like man this just scares me to death and like I you know when I

1:43:33

first started watching you on the war room I had to turn it off uh because it was just freaking me out and uh that's

1:43:39

actually the last thing I want people to do uh I want people to be desensitized

1:43:44

to the weirdness uh to some extent not so much that you would accept it but so much that you're enough that you're

1:43:50

actually able to think it through so maybe you know think of it in terms of uh I I want you to be able to walk out

1:43:57

into the snow Barefoot uh but I don't want people to be so numb that they get hypothermia sure you know that's awesome

1:44:05

well Joe I'm excited to read the book I appreciate you coming over today here in Nashville and uh yeah I look forward to

1:44:10

getting to know you here better I I hope you get a chuckle out of the dick jokes there's a lot of them okay I'll I'll get

1:44:16

a I'll get a chuck all the dick jokes all right thanks Joe thank you very much man thanks